hunter's life I see you avoided all my questions. Try again. A few drives and views here and there mean nothing. Analysis of P&Y numbers reported in states with rifles in the rut tell the tale. Study Michigan for an obvious example. Classic habitat that should produce record book bucks but does not due to horrendous management. I've hunted the states I mentioned both before and after their bad management decisions. Over widespread geographic areas The differences were very significant on public land. I completely quit going to Kansas after what I saw, and would for Illinois as well if I didn't own a LL there.

mrbb - Totally wrong here's your obvious reason why deer quality in Alabama sucks and all their trophy hunters are in Illinois with OTC tags come November. Not sure how anyone in their right mind could argue with this!Archery or SpearOct. 15-Feb. 10**FirearmsNov. 18-Feb. 10** (Hellooooooo....................Is there anybody home???)Dog Hunting, Where AllowedNov. 17-Jan. 15**Special Muzzleloader and Air RifleNov. 12-16