tom, i talked to gary rupert at the club meeting last night and asked him about drummonds. he said that some of it is posted up near Hiemburgers farm. its still thick as all get out down there. i wont be going there anytime soon. the best way would be to use a canoe and come down the river from Saltsburg and pull off. then hunt the bottom and if anything is gotten bring it down to Avonmore in the canoe.