Thanks guys. Ngtshade I would not mind some help but this guy is real picky about people on his land. I have a friend who is a Hunters Safety Educator and this land owner doesn' t even want him on his land!

The deer really do need thinning out. His land is surrounded by Hanging Rock State Park which can not be hunted and the deer are just crazy up there. He can' t even bush-hog without running over deer. I shot one with a rifle that was partial pybale on his hind legs and like I said the ' big' does are around 80 - 100 lbs and according to estimates from hunters more skilled than me, these does are around 3 -4 years old and should be a lot larger.