Sorry, not going to be much help directly answering your question. I stopped reloading shot shells long time ago as I figured out I can buy them at an equal or lessor amount. I only reloaded AA trap loads. Gave all my equipment and supplies away. Not sure the guy I gave them to ever used what I gave him as I was promised several boxes of shells in return. He and I are both in central IL. If you want, I will check with him to see if he has anything for sale.