took the muzzy out 2 days ago & shot a big fat doe on a deer damage farm @ 30 yrds using the 305 carnivore bullet. dropped her in her tracks nice exit wound too. could not recover bullet . to dark to look for . was using a traditions pursuit & 100 grains of bh209. the bullet is itself is a buck a shot. for that kind of money think i will keep with my barnes 300 gr expanders. it's all copper bullet.