This is my brother.He has not hunted deer for 5 years and I being the nice little brother I am sat him in my normal spot and walked on up the ridge.As it was getting daylight I saw 4 does at 7:00 a.m. @ 20 yards and decided to let them walk as I chose to wait for a buck this year.At 7:10 a.m. I heard him shoot one time and knew he had got it.He said it was just browsing around and he shot it @ 25 yards.Nice looking 8 point.I tell you some people have all the luck.Good luck to everyone.