d.winsor, I am assuming you got called down for brand bashing because you have been bashing knight in now 4 different threads on this site alone. There are quite a few Knight Rifle owners here at HNI from what I have gathered and not a one of them seem to have had the experiences you "say" you have had. And to be 100% honest, when you bash a well known and respected quality rifle manufacturer here and in the same post try to pump up Traditions, well that kind of speaks for itself to anyone that knows a thing about current muzzleloader manufacturers. Honestly, Traditions and quality doesn't go in the same sentence. They are a cheap starter rifle that will "get the job done" for the most part but they are not even in the same galaxy as Thompson Center or Knight. That isn't brand bashing, just a very well known fact to most all of us smoke pole shooters.