My head hurts reading this thread...

But I'll still put in my opinion...the Creed is nothing new, it's over a decade old. The only reasons it's popular is because Hornady is great at marketing, cheap "good" ammo, and the velocity restrictions in the PRS.

For a cheap to shoot plinker/target rifle they fill a niche.

For a hunting rifle, velocity kills and the Creed is pretty weak.