Originally Posted by
Ridge Runner
you really need to take notes on what your seeing, all bullets are not created equal, but even thinner skinned bullets will penetrate better at slower speeds. High velocity impacts will cause any bullet to fail, I have saw 257 diameter nobler partitions fail to penetrate a gallon jug of water at 500 yards from just too much speed. both rounds you mention are faster than the creed, the only thing that the creed has accomplished is let folks shoot some fairly accurate factory rifles, thats all it has going for it, decent rifles with decent ammo, but not up to par with the good custom made stuff. Its ok, but not the end all to do all, a 260 rem. with a good barrel will shoot rings around it all day.
RR
i know exactly what im seeing and know exactly why the 300 wsm failed to pass through, this has been one of my arguments against magnums, a 308 standard cup and core bullet at 100 yds pass through everytime 300 magnum same distance and you get a failure, now use a bonded or solid and bam, we now have a pass through, but were now just back to what a 308 was doing. magnums were designed to give 308 performance at 100 but at 300 yds, if used at these distances cup and core bullets work in the 300, and is why i have no need for a magnum, not in texas, i would have to get on my 4 wheeler and drive 200 yds away from my deer to get a 300 yd shot