I saw a 300 wsm fail to pass through no less than 10 animals this year, the creed blew through 10 this year, hardly a pop gun, you know what we had to do to the wsm to get a pass through ? run 50 dollar box ammo of barnes to acheive what 20 dollar box ammo out of the creed does. saw the 25-06 fail to pass through a does head this year too.