Getting 1.5" groups from a Savage 212 with 3" Accu-Tips Killed a mule deer just fine.In Canada it costs about $5 a round ......I can buy Federal factory .50BMG for that price.It will be nice to have the 12ga for spring bear as sometimes we get unwelcome guests ie grizzlies.I'm going to buy some Hammerheads and load them in Cheddite hulls to see if they will shoot then buy a mold.