Hitting a brown bear in the spine, and yes that was a spinal interruption high shoulder shot on the brown bear you are talking about, with a 405 grain anything will be bang flop. How about you show us the real world results of shoulder hit or even rib hit elk or whitetail from those bullets you love to advertise for flint head. If a fella has to go to over 400 grains of bullet to get good performance on whitetail, they edited for language - JW sure need to switch bullets. That's just a plain fact.