And ronlaughlin, no offence intended here, but when it comes to that water jug test vs. the results I have personally seen on game animals, I think I'll go with what I have personally witnessed on game animals. Those water jug tests can be and are quite useful to do a comparison test and give one a general idea on bullet performances. But real world on live game performance it is not sir. Angles, bone density, fur and hide density, just too many things to list that make it an inefficient test to prove on game performance.