Yes Ronlaughlin, PRB's have been killing Black Bear for hundreds of years. And I'm sure hundreds of men using PRB's have suffered as well from not penetrating and anchoring that animal. Shot choice is limited when using a weak bullet. That's all I'm saying. And when you are shooting at an animal that can turn around and rip your throat out or crush your scull without much effort at all, then I myself like using a bullet that I know will penetrate well and crush bone. I'm not saying that the 338plat wouldn't kill a Bear. I'm saying I wouldn't trust my life on it's poor record for penetration. It's fairly simple logic that I just don't understand why some on here can't seem to understand. Soft lead, copper washed that can't even be honestly called a jacket, hollow point. Just were in that combination do you see a beast of a bullet? I see a failure waiting to happen myself.