1874sharpshooter, Do the rifles you have experienced good grouping with paper patched bullets have deep groove rifling? I found a while back that the deeper grooved rifling in a couple of my rifles seemed to react well with paper patching while the shallower rifling faired much better with bare lubed. My renegade absolutely loves bare lubed bullets but I tried paper patching with it and it looked like a drunk chimpanzee was shooting the target. But 2 of my Lyman rifles are the exact opposite.