I have had one deer rifle in my life mod 788 rem 6mm gave 69 dol new last one sporting store here had 1970 shoot 100 gr rem pointed soft pointi cannot tell you how many deer and groundhogs I have took with it my son brotherinlaw and brother took first deer with it 40 yds to 200 yds almost flat shooting gun ever saw a plain jane as I tell you find a spot to shoot this rifle will do rest