That is what I was thinking on the sabot part. Any advise on where I could get some information on sabot strengths? I wouldn't want to hinder the full capabilities of this rifle if I don't have to. Some of the places I hunt in Kentucky have 300 yard shot options pretty regularly. Yes I can usually get closer and most often do but there are times when the deer are hyper skittish or the wind isn't right to get closer. 2 years ago I had to pass on an incredible 12 point because I just couldn't get in to him for a sidelock shot. 175 yards just isn't a comfortable distance for me with an open sighted muzzleloader. I primarily meat hunt but I am not adverse to a nice bone crown when the opportunity presents itself.