bronko we are in agreement. I like to have them tight enough that I want to use both hands to push them down but its not because they won't shoot good it is because I hunt a lot and I feel safer knowing that the bullet is held tight and it and the sabot will be tight on the powder when I pull the trigger. On the other end of the spectrum if I can not push it smoothly down to seat on the powder in one stroke it is probably to tight.