I haven't tried those, do strongly recommend you at least try the Flying Arrow Archery "Toxic" broadhead! Since they hit the market & I tried them I've not had ANY animal go far enough to make it plumb out of sight-even Ky's thick undergrowth rich woods! They fly EXACTLY like a field/bullet point, and basically cut 3 plugs or rolls as they pass through, leaving dual blood trails a blind man could follow, looking like somebody splashed blood out of a bucket out as they walked down the trail. Never experienced a failure YET *knocks on wood*!