You aren't getting the point Jack. It's not got a single thing to do with the rifles weight or stock design with what I am talking about. It's all about the TIMING because of the ignition system with a muzzleloader being slower. Now granted, a good inline with quality primer ignition as well as quality powder loaded to proper compression weights and such is still pretty quick but it's definitely slower from the trigger pull to the bullet leaving the barrel. And every single one, as well as every single load, changes that timing. And with movement comes POI change so you have to time your trigger pull taking ALL of that into account. That is why I said it is best to practice with the load and rifle you plan to use for hunting as that is the tool that you will be needing to be the most familiar with in the field. ESPECIALLY if you plan to shoot off hand.