dat wuz funny right der !!! Honestly, there aint a lotta love for the Creed. I had my 6.8 SPC built several years ago and that thing is stupid accurate. The Creed, as I said previously, is an okay round. Especially in an AR configuration. But for a bolt gun, there's just too many better choices. Especially for the non handloader. Those dependent upon factory offerings are pretty much stuck with anemic factory loadings as well as the short supply over all.