Thank you deer655 for the welcome, no joy for me yet in the deer woods.Family needs have had me on the go since mid Nov out to Cali back to NC then up to NY now back to Cali in a couple of days then back to NY for at least a week then drive back home to NC where I want to rest my butt for a long while.I have one last chance in NY when I return mid Jan on Long Island,persistance should count for something....