Thus far I resisted the Leverevolutions. I usually use 170 grain Winchesters but after suffering a massive heart attack in early November I had to use the managed recoil 125's to hunt deer this year. Now I bought two boxes of Leverevo's and as soon as I can handle recoil I'm going to see what they do at the range because I'm making my 30-30's my "do all" guns from here out. Everything that kicks harder I got rid of.