Oh I could keep adding all day Rock. I just listed the top name brands with the best reputations in quality and customer service. And you are 100% correct about Kevin being "shady" to put it nicely. And you forgot he started Oregon Bows before he hooked up with John Strasheim (money behind the BowTech startup) to start up BT. And didn't Strother Bows go out of business? I know they haven't had a new bow come out last year or this year.