Well when I started hunting it was in a shotgun only county, I was 9 or 10 and was using my uncles double barrel 12 gauge, the last day of the season I killed a doe with it on a dead run at 20 yards, man what a rush, it was the second deer I had seen that year and the only one in range, dropped her with one shot. My first deer rifle was a model 94 30-30 and the first deer I ever killed with it was a doe at about 100 yards out of a tree stand.