Originally Posted by
super_hunt54
And there is a vast difference between "book knowledge" and actual EXPERIENCE! Bucks absolutely DO get scent educated and very quickly. They know when they should be smelling Does in heat and they are quite intelligent about knowing when to bug out of an area that doesn't "smell right". Anyone that thinks otherwise has little experience in the woods. Bucks get a little stupid around the rut but they don't get completely retarded.
Thanks for being the good example of someone that doesn't understand reproductive biology. Saying that bucks get "educated" to doe urine is complete garbage passed on by people that formulate their own opinions as fact. What would bucks do all year long when they encounter doe urine, run away in fear?? Don't be silly.
And if bucks encounter a doe in heat in April, do they turn down that offer? Absolutely not. It has been shown in both the wild and in penned situations that bucks will breed any time of the year. Just as any other male mammal will do. Saying that isn't true is exactly what I expected someone to say. Someone with true "woods" experience, because of course they know better than all the mammalian biologists of the world, all the herbivore reproductive specialists in the U.S. since they've been in the "woods" before.
The reality is that doe urine doesn't come from the reproductive system of the doe. Therefore, especially bottled urine, but even fresh, can have very limited results and yes, some of them can be quite off putting to either doe or buck, but that is the reality of urine. And yes, sometimes a buck will follow in the trail of a drag rag. I've had it happen using doe, buck, and even fox urine, in addition it's worked with vanilla, and once for fun I dragged a banana peel and had 4 deer follow it. Deer are fairly curious creatures.
I'm sure some of you have read or even seen on TV where the higher ups of Tinks, Conquest Scents, etc. will actually use tampons that were inserted into the vagina of pre-ovulating doe, and then hang them up around their hunting areas, or do this for big-name TV hunters? That's the scent that bucks are looking for, but of course that is only available to certain individuals. Which might cause you to ask, "Why aren't the heads of Tinks using urine in these situations?" Simply because urine is very hit/miss, vaginal secretions however are much more reliable. But all that said...It's not too early to use doe in estrus scent, it might be a complete waste of money, but that's the gamble you take.