My supply of dead centers was down to about 5 but I had 40 or so of the extreme elites that I ordered because they are CHEAP! I saw where many folks on their site hunt with them so thought What the Hell. No disappointments with that decision! My hunting partner shot a deer Saturday with a name brand copper jacketed bullet and ended up having to track it about 200 yards. No thank you, I'll stay with all lead. I took him a 12-pack of the extreme elites last night. Hoping to convert him as well!