Ramhunter71, well thought post. Turk, you don't need to justify to anybody why you went on a guided hunt. It sounds like to me your outfitter wasn't an archery elk outfitter. It is an important consideration when booking a hunt. He may be a great rifle elk outfitter, and has the references and reviews to back it up, but archery elk is a different animal. His unwillingness to move in on a bull makes me wonder about his elk archery savvy. Distance is the paramount to getting a bull in bow range. At 200 yards one could sit and bugle back and forth all day long with bull, that won't put him in range. Additionally, your guide wasn't in camo, which also makes me wonder about his archery hunting skill set in general. Like others have said, it is a matter of research and vetting your perspective outfitters. BTW, there are plenty of good, honest, hardworking outfitters around, I personally know many of them.