I have had a bunch of them. The only ones that really stick with me is my knights and T/C' s. I am not much on the Black Diamond however. I have had a Knight stainless Wolverine since 1996 and its a great accurate gun. I say stay away from Traditions and CVA. I have had one rifle and now got a inline pistol that I have had trouble with, and the customer service is horrible. Look into the Wolverine 209..