I'm talking about outside. I will start talking about inside if I have him on my game pole and am scoring him. Although, score won't mean too much too me. There are two benchmark numbers when talking about score. 125 and 170. Since I tore my rotator cuff a few years ago, I got a crossbow. So the 125 benchmark means nothing now. And I'm sure he will be far below 170. I'm thinking he'll probably net in the 140s somewhere.