If they are with hens, you need to call the hens to you. I tend to call a lot in this situation to get the hens fired up. The toms are going to go which ever the hens go. Best advice is set up where the birds want to be. If you can't do that try to get them to come to you. Or wait it out till they are done with those hens and then you would have a much better chance of calling them in. In my experience, birds off the roost is a crap shoot and things get better about an hour and a half after flydown. I have killed almost all of my birds between 8:00 am and 11:00 am.