I haven't logged in for quite sometime, spine issue. I was on the cusp with the terminators? I switched to easton fmj and problem seemed to correct it's self. Blood runners did not last though, it may have been a combination of the 2 that was giving me the problems, not sure. broke down and bought a bowtech 360 and haven't looked back. Bow is LIGHT YEARS! better than my older set up. Eventually I'll have it refreshed as a back up, thank you to all that contributed.