I have killed a couple deer in years past with it in a Remington 11-87 while just out walking thru the woods during deer season. I shot a decent 6 point last year that jumped a creek and stopped about 10 yds from me using the 11-87 with Remington 3" 00. He hit the ground grave yard dead and never knew what hit him. I like shooting the 11-87 but there is no comparison to the way the auto5 shoots.