Thanks fellas. I was looking at the Summit viper classic which is the steel version of the SD which weighs 27ish pounds. Then I was figuring with my bow/gun and my backpack it'll get heavy on those longer hikes. I'm thinking I'm going to just bite the bullet and go for the SD which is 20 pounds but a little bit more money. Nothing's set in stone yet and I've still got time to think about it though.