Fellers look I think if we hold true to traditional ideologies here we can have a great forum. That being said the limitations on what we discuss should be based on whether the bullets and guns are similar to the ones used pre- cartridge period (paper or metallic). So we could eliminate jacket bullets and sabots. Inline ignition could be discussed but on if it pertains to the pre-cartridge period. Wouldn't this really settle the traditional debate for muzzleloaders? So traditional would be defined pre-cartridge era. Problem solved... Or at least in my mind. Have fun and enjoy.