Floxter, I got to tell you a funny story also. Last Monday night at our trad shoot we all put a dollar in the pot (I'm only involved as a student of criminology) and we pick three shooters every week who get a 25 yard shot at a styrofoam coffee cup for the pot. As it happened I was drawn second to shoot and get a chance at the pot if the first guy misses which was at 36 dollars. Well this guy gets up and hits it first time which wins the pot and he got the money. Well just for the fun of it I took my shot and drilled it into the center of the cup right next to his at which point the crowd went wild. Now the point to this story slips my mind because I didn't win the money which would have gone to my favorite charity anyway and I have the right to remain silent anything I say may be blah,blah....