Never owned a Ford Pinto either Pete but I knew they were junk and dangerous. Lots of things out there that are junk that I haven't owned but when I have umpteen folks that I know and trust telling me not to buy it then I trust them enough to not spend money on junk. You have had some good CVA's as have many others, but the fact remains that overall, it is not a brand I could ever trust and when it comes to a firearm, trust is THE most important thing. I have to trust it isn't going to blow up in my damn face. I have to trust it is going to go bang. I have to trust that it will consistently deliver the bullet to my point of aim. If I don't trust it, and no one I know well trusts it, then it aint getting bought by me!