What I was was talking about Oldtimer was what he calls the rut moon and 2 days after it which ties in with the amount of light. I know how light effects deer. I went to an outdoor show one time with 2 live bucks with huge racks there and they kept the lights on all night in there pens so they would not lose there racks too early. He was right on in 2013 predicting a late and a trickle rut. The rut didn't kick in until the 3rd week in Nov.