I AGREE WITH YOU ALL THE 12ga. KICKS!!!! BUT THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN YOUR HUNTING, AND YOU PUT YOUR SIGHTS BEHIND THE SHOULDER OF A DEER, DO YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THE KICK? I KNOW I DON' T AND IT' S OVER REAL QUICK. I COMPLAINE ABOUT THE RECOIL WHEN SIGHTING IN. IF THE 12ga. IS TO MUSCH, THEN GO WITH A 20ga. THAT LITTLE 20ga. WILL PUT DEER DOWN QUICK!!!!