Thanks guys. Now I got a question I was talking to my friend we can either go the 2nd rifle season or 3rd rifle season (we are leaning to the 2nd season). Either way we will be able to take off from work. The place we are going gets very little pressure. I know my grandfather has been hunting this same spot for at least 10 years and barely still sees anyone. Last season he stated he didn't see a single person but he hunts early rifle and the 3rd season. I'm just curious for a 1st timer would 2nd or third 3rd season be better. He never hunts the 2nd rifle and not sure why, I think because of work conflicts. Any experience between the two?