Originally Posted by Triple Se7en

If one refrains from soap and water, their "not an issue" turns into "never an issue".

I've taken friends MLs at deer camps, that were cleaned in soap and water and when I showed them dirty patches after running centerfire cleaners down their bores, one hunter had an ash-look on his face and the other's mouth dropped big enough to see his tonsils.

Use what ever you want to clean your MLs. But Dawn Dish Soap and hot water does not remove carbon, lead, plastic or copper. If it did, then all the pistol and centerfire manufacturers would tell purchasers to clean their 9mms and 30.06s with Dawn Dish soap and hot water..... sending Birchwood-Casey, Shooters Choice.......etc.....etc... right out of business.

Keep the water out of your bores. Trapping it accidentally in your grooves creates rust overnight sometimes. Plus when your soap-watery patches turn white and you think that bore is clean, that ML really ain't clean at-all. I've proven that a number of times already.

So clean with whatever you want. Then when you sell the gun to GM154 and he pulls out plastic using the JB Paste, it's proof your soap and water treatment really didn't work to begin with.