It is fairly the norm for them to be hard horned by now. I will occasionally see a few younger bucks with velvet still. Of the 13 bucks I saw yesterday, two were in velvet and the rest rubbed off. I did shoot a big typical a few years ago on September 15, and he was in velvet, but it was slipping and I expect he would've had it off in a day or two if I hadn't killed him.