Rockport-have you ever seen the blood trail the Toxic leaves with good placement? Since I started using them I have better blood trails than anything I've ever used. I've tried most of the different configurations over the years too. It looks like somebody walked along slashing blood out of a bucket with a good hit with the Toxics. You really should try them some time personally before dismissing them as gimmicky. If you have tried them personally I apologize.