well duckmastor I agree with everything that you have said... but when you post this and I know you dont care and neither do I..that some of those hunters read these posts.. and I HOPE that maybe one day some of them will get a clue.... because it does give us a bad name and that sure as heck is the most human and quickest kill in the book.. its hard to imagine but one placed shot in the boiler room will do a LOT more than 8 shots in the legs, hinds, or around the deer!!!