Ron, you have any idea what the velocity is on them at that load? I bought a couple packs of them, they shoot absolutely fantastic out of my .50 TC and was actually going to use them this year but after seeing this I aint so sure. Of course I will be shooting quite a bit hotter than you were but I have a cull buck on one of the properties that I have my sights set on and I have a feeling from the way he is patterning right now my only shots will be between 100 to 130 yards. I didn't chrony this one but my load is 120 BH. so it will probably be hitting (at the 130 mark) at about the same velocity you hit at 25 with that 80 BH load or thereabouts.