Let me help you again, Muley. I wasn't talking about what Randy was saying. I was referring to the fact that I didn't make derogatory statements toward the product or the members that use them. Randy means no more to me than you do. I didn't hear know the mans name till yesterday and maybe I'll agree w/you as time goes on. But for now, you didn't refute. You're just as much a basher as you claim him to be.