One thing I did forget to mention about the Montec's. While the edge on them out of the package is good, more than sufficient to slice through a deer hide, I always put a little better hone to them out of the package. Couple of swipes across my honing stone and a couple swipes across my leather strap and them puppies will shave a frogs hair. The Slick Tricks, as CJ pointed out, are indeed scary sharp out of the package. I've never had a bad blood trail from the Montecs but I ALWAYS go for a double lung on live game with bow. A deer doesn't just drop right there unless you nail him in the spine with a bow shot. You hit in the heart area and you don't have the pumper to make a fine blood trail. You hit them lungs passing through and you have a nice double faucet spraying you a nice trail. Plus, in my experience anyway, they seem to go down faster from a double lung than they do from a heart shot. Maybe the shock from not being able to breathe.