HJ, I didn't say you actually said that, you and I were discussing archery season being earlier than gun season and you asked when did gun come in first and I told you and gave you the year. there was more discussion between us before the thread got derailed by another poster bringing up the nonsense of the insurance companies becoming involved in lobbying for less deer. I was refering to the discussion, that you and I were having and I was the one who asked what would happen if it did happen if the PGC did open buck season before archery, just as an example of it all depends on whose ox is getting gored when to comes to complaining. This is what happens when a thread gets diverted by someone who wasn't involved in the origional conversation and intentions get lost. Have a good one.