You said it Wayne! Mark my words, I WILL NEVER HUNT MODERN FIREARM DEER OR ELK SEASONS IN THIS STATE! I really feel like I stepped out there by putting aside the bow and picking up the muzzleloader this year. I don' t know how people don' t get killed every year in this state. I have heard some stories that make me scared to go in the woods for anything while a modern season is going on. 800 yard lob shots? Come on, how is that hunting. Between that and the guys who ride in the back of rigs with their guns and a cooler of beer just waiting for something to stick its head out, I don' t see how several guys aren' t killed every season. They are destroying any positive spin you can put on hunting in this state, and all of the animal rights groups are storing it up for later use. I realize a lot of the stuff that happens and ways people hunt go back to the days when hunter numbers were considerably lower and animals were more plentiful in some areas, but it has never been a low enough human population to justify some of the dangerous behavior that happens now. A lot of those " hunters" (used extremely loosely) need to stay in camp and leave the guns at home. We' d all be better off if they traded their Winchesters for a Kodak.[:@]