cayugad, I have to say you may be the absolute FIRST person, not waving the company flag, I've heard (read whatever) say that they got extremely good accuracy out of any ML'er with those fishing weights. I can tell you from experience that they perform HORRIBLY on whitetail. I watched a buddy of mine hit 2 nice fat doe in one week. I Saw the hits and they were spot on perfect right behind the shoulder shots and lost BOTH deer. Both were less than 90 yards. I looked for those deer for 2 days. Finally found one that had made it around 600 yards over a hill and into a ravine and it looked like it was taken down by either a fairly large yote or a dog. Never found the other one. Both left a small damn near untrackable blood trail for about 30 yards then nodda, nothin, zilch. Hoof trailed them for about another 60 yards till they ran into a heavily traveled part and couldn't pick out the tracks. I'd have to say performance wise they are the absolute WORST bullets on the market. Hell I got better terminal ballistics from a ball and patch!